Kingsway Community Walkabout: Results
Created by CliveOn Friday 31st July, I took part in a Community Walkabout organised by PC Fraser Mackie, along with a group of people including Ismail Ali (Oxbode Housing), Cllr Elaine Emerton, Shane Clark (Kingsway resident and member of the Ambulance Service), Cllr Vic Rice, Cllr Andy Lewis, Marianne Crossman (Guiness Trust) and Joy Barham (Quedgeley News).
We covered a lot of issues (and a lot of ground). Here is the report received from Fraser today:
The aim of the activity was to identify how we, as people who hold responsibility in some way for the area, can improve the quality of life for those living in the Kingsway Village. This idea has been used succesfully in other areas, in particular nearby Podsmead. Those such as Councillors for the city and county have an elected mandate to represent the concerns of the residents living in the village. Others such as Clive Barton, run the Kingsway Village website, a popular forum for many residents views. It was unfortunate that a local Parish Councillor couldn’t attend, however, this was due to a reason of ill-health. For my own part, I am the Police Beat Manager for the village, and have to deal with the issues raised by residents when things have got out of hand. I have a vested interest in keeping the Queens peace in the village, and reducing the fear of crime as well as crime itself. I also need to be seen to be working for the residents in addressing their concerns.
I hope you agree we communicated a lot amongst ourselves, and can see some minor improvements that could be made easily and cheaply which could add to making a large difference. It was unfortunate that some could not make the event in order to add their opinion to the rest and give further guidance as to how things could improve. Thanks to those of you who couldn’t make it, yet let me know prior to this afternoon.
We met in the rear car park of Matalan, and progressed to the underpass. Here, Shane Clark (resident in the village and member of Great Western Ambulance Responders) pointed out some of the issues with the underpass itself. Holes in the roof obviously meant for lights are empty or covered over with board, but in some cases, wires can be seen hanging from the ceiling some 20 feet in the air. If used for their original purpose, they would leave the underpass much brighter, and less intimidating for people to use and get to the rest of Quedgeley.
There is graffitti on the walls but all agreed it was harmless enough, very un-obtrusive and would only be replaced with more should it be covered up. Mr LEWIS suggested getting in touch with Equals Youth Club to arrange for the walls to be covered in murals painted and designed by the local youth. I’m sure Sheila Golder, leader of Equals Youth Club, will be happy to help with your suggestion Mr Lewis, and she is expecting your call to arrange this.
Mr Clark stated he had tried various times to get someone to take authority or ownership of the bridge and the underpass, but on many occasions he has failed to get a satisfactory answer. It was decided that Mr Andy Lewis and Mr Vic Rice would speak with Mr Alastair Jewell of the builders consortium QUVL to establish once and for all who was maintaining the underpass, was it the Highways Agency, City or County Council, was it the builders QUVL? Who should residents turn to when wishing to speak to the right person about the underpass? Could you respond to all with the answer please?
Mr Clark also repeated his assertion that emergency vehicles were to be issued with the same transponders that allow the buses to pass through the gate un-obstructed. This hasn’t yet happened. I would agree that being able to use the underpass in emergency situations could be of great assistance to The Police, and I’m sure The Ambulance and Fire Brigade would agree. I’ve heard from others, not just Mr Clark, that this arrangement was part of the planning permission for the village. For the purposes of Quedgeley Police Station, we have 4 marked emergency vehicles, and would therefore require four of the devices which would allow us to use the bus gate in emergency conditions. Could Mr Jewell reply with where, and who we (Ambulance, Glos Fire and Police) can obtain these from?
It was also raised as to why there was resticted access through the underpass at all, why couldn’t everyone use the underpass as the buses do? Mr Lewis addressed this concern that the Severnvale roundabout was working at capacity already, additional traffic entering the roundabout from the Kingsway village would bring it to a standstill, and therefore wasn’t in anyone’s interests.
On moving away from the underpass and into the village along Valley Gardens it was noticed that a floatation ring was missing from the balancing pond next to the road. We believe it was located in the long grass next to Lyneham drive playpark. It was suggested by Mr Vic Rice that some kind of single-use device could be used to hold the ring in place, much like the ‘break glass to raise alarms’ that we are all use to inside our buildings. It would be tragic if one of these rings was required in an emergency , and wasn’t present when required.
Walking past Holbeach Road, Mr Clark pointed out that the signs displaying road names pose significant problems for emergency repsonders, those using blue lights to get to an emergency. Holbeach Road was used as an example. The road sign is set some way back from the junction. It can easily be obscured by cars parking in front of it. The road sign doesn’t give any indication that other, further roads lead off of it. There is only one sign, not one on either side of the road which is best practice, and done elsewhere in the village. They are manufactured from plastic, not aluminium, and so shatter when struck by a stone from passing cars. Incidentally, the signs will be required to be aluminium before the village can be adopted. Some of the road signs have been damaged, and not yet replaced, such as in Mildenhall Way and Valley Gardens. Valley Gardens is a particular problem because it is at the main cross-roads for the village. We therefore ask Mr Jewell if he can address these concerns in his reply?
A further issue raised by almost everyone present was the poor state of the pavement areas for pedestrians. From my own GCSE geography I learned about frost-thaw action, of how water gets into cracks, freezes during frosts, turns to ice, and will crack concrete, granite and tarmac given enough time. This frost-thaw action makes small cracks much, much larger. The pavements on Valley Gardens were full of little cracks and crevices for water to exploit, forming a loose surface on top. It’s this loose surface which many residents complained about, fearing it would lead to trips and falls. As the pavement surface hasn’t been finished, it has also left raised ironworks, drain covers for example, which may lead to trips and falls. Many of these pavements are now in areas were building has been completed, and no further building works neccesitates the digging up of pavements again. The pavements will need to be up to a certain standard before the village roads and pathways are adopted by The Council, which they currently don’t meet. Particularly in the area around the new and beautiful Kingsway Primary School, could these pavements not be topped off? I am aware that various politicians have raised this issue in the local press before, but as we head towards autumn of 2009 major areas haven’t improved. Mr Jewell, could you answer this query in your reply?
As we walked on through Valley Gardens, we noticed that the spring mechanism on the gate to the little play-park wasn’t in full working order. The gate appeared to be swinging in the wind. This safety device, designed to stop small children running out into the road should be replaced as soon as possible to avoid an accident. Again, this is down to the builders of the site who still maintain the facilities. But this is a another cheap fix to make, to make the area appear smarter and cared for.
It was noted as we walked around the village of the lack of facilities for youths in the village. We stopped by Kingsway Primary School, and discussed the siting of the Youth POD in the grounds of the school. As a small update on the current situation, a firm has been employed to arrange the lifting and moving of the Youth POD from its current position in the car park of Equals Youth Club to the school grounds. These builders were last seen taking measurements of the POD for this operation. We all wished Sheila Golder every success with this venture, and thank Headmistress Paula Needham and her school governors for their kind offer.
We then proceed to Lyneham Drive play-park. I pointed out the problems with the CCTV camera at the location, that in trying to obtain footage for a live criminal investigation was taking days and now weeks. A frequent complaint of residents to The Police, is who is watching the footage from these cameras, because they must be catching crimes in action, yet nothing seems to be done about the criminals.
It was raised that the grass designated as a play area for ball sports has grown particularly long, that appears not to have been cut for some time. Again, another small cost to make a difference to quality of life for those wanting to enjoy there summer holidays with regular games of football/cricket/rugby, and those wanting to enjoy the rest given by having somewhere for boys to burn off some energy! Another easy solution too.
I also show concern - and as of yet await any justified explanation - as to why the 300 yard plus stretch of all ready tarmacked and street lit road, unnamed but we shall call it the “Naas lane Link road” remains blocked off.
(Editors Note: See Woodvale Blockade).This again affects Emergency Service response times dramatically to the village from the Purpose built Gloucester Tri-Emergency Centre which is only a stones throw away; road signage is in place by means of large costly aluminium signs so such a route was obviously meant to be opened to vehicular traffic but to date remains closed. (Shane Clark)?
As we returned to our starting location, we passed by a broken wall outside numbers 67 to 73 Woodvale. Broken for some time, it gives a bad impression for the village as potential home buyers enters the area, an impression that the area isn’t cared for as essential repairs aren’t being carried out. Through word of mouth, we have heard that an unknown driver created the hole, but that it can not be decided who should pay for repairs. Can anyone clarify this please?
Mr Clive Barton sent me further minor points he wished to add to this plan, but didn’t have time to add in the afternoon walk-round. I have lifted these concerns straight from his e-mail, and added them below.
1. Lamp Posts / Graffiti: It was mentioned that many of the lamp posts in Kingsway are now decorated with Graffiti. Although we didn’t see any obvious signs during the tour, I did notice some small signs of Graffitti on the Lamp Posts in Valley Gardens and Thatcham Avenue!
2. Chivenor Road: No Road sign at the Kinloss Drive end (I mentioned this before we parted).
3. Kinloss Drive: Tree (and fence) taken from “little roundabout” (to be honest it was right in the way for cars trying to drive ’round there anyway) but the ground is fast becoming a hole! (I also mentioned this before we parted).
4. The (black) railings on the corner of Woodvale/Thatcham have been sprayed with blue paint.
5. The lane that runs from halfway down Thatcham Avenue to the entrance to Copelands Park is becoming a favourite hangout for underage drinkers and the “Moped Menaces” are using it too!!
6. Shawbury Avenue: There’s a street light which has been out of action for more than 18 months! Local residents have paid to install additional lighting (on their houses - aimed at the street) because it was pitch black there in the evenings. Note: This was coomplained about some months ago, but the guy only gave me the road name this week. I identified the builder as Taylor Wimpey and rang their customer services, who have agreed to deal with it.
I will take on point 5 in this list myself, but all the rest appear not to be for The Police to deal with.
I again thank those of you who attended for your efforts. I am thankful that the weather held out for us. This exercise isn’t meant to be seen as a blame game, but used as a positive and constructive way of improving quality of life for those who live in the village. I hope it can be viewed as such by all.
PC 2125 Fraser MACKIE
Kingsway Village Beat Manager
01452 729050
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August 6th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Glad to see i’m not the only one who takes issue with the blocked up link road!
August 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
The graffitti I had noticed was on all the lamposts leading from under the underpass down Leeming Walk.
August 6th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Not sure who’s responsibility but the small roundabout in the ‘ big ‘ park is broken - It is really hard to move.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
MissC - It is QUVLs responsibility but the new PM seems to be doing a good job of burying his head in the sand.
They do not seem to be replying to emails yet, unless CLive has had any success
August 7th, 2009 at 4:28 am
Hi Ashley,
No you aren’t… lol - every time I drive to Quedgeley it bugs me!
Hi Miss C,
I did spot some in Leeming Walk yesterday - but missed it on Friday! But it’s on the list and next time I speak to the group I’ll mention it (unless the QUVL have taken care of it by then)
I didn’t know about the roundabout and we didn’t notice on Friday (we were surrounded by kids at the park, all wanting to try out the handcuffs - lol) nobody mentioned it… I will bring it up too though.
Hi Baz,
Not me - lol - I haven’t tried (really busy at the moment)!
His telephone number is now on the Kingsway Developers page and I think that Joy Barham has spoken to him this week. Sad he didn’t make the walkabout but - if he’s based in Bristol - that might explain it (not sure about that but the tel’ no is an indication)… maybe you could cll on him on your way to work
August 7th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Was there any mention of the Leaming Walk regarding the resurfacing and bollards which were to be installed, thought there was progress being made with the addition of new street lights, however its seems to have gone quiet again.
No sign of this being carried out.
August 7th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
It has been broken for a while it is really really hard to move. Just in case you find it moving and think that it isn’t broken.
August 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Just a comment about the idea for murals and graffiti art in the underpass; I think there should be some consultation with local people about whether that is something that they really want.
I don’t think everyone would be keen; it’s unfair to go ahead and arrange something with the youth club without checking first with people who actually live in the area.
August 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Hi becky1978,
At the moment the walls of the underpass are “decorated” with messy-looking graffiti and - as time goes by - it’s only going to get worse (and - when the proper lights are fitted - it will look a lot worse)
Ordinarily unsupervised “graffitti” is messy, unpleasant to look at and often obscene. The idea of allowing local youths to decorate it with decent-quality graffiti-art is not new and is successfully used elsewhere (white city mural for example) and the theory is that the youths “take ownership” of the space by decorating it with something they’re more likely to be proud of and (therefore) less likely to deface.
To an extent, there has already been consultation with “local people” and their representatives (those of us who were in the group which included elected Councillors) and this article (and most likely a similar one in the Quedgeley News) will reach the majority of local residents.
I think the County Council will have responsibility for the upkeep of the structure (because it supports a main road) so the decision will ultimately be theirs, but - if you really think that people would prefer the existing (and gradually worsening) situation (the Council aren’t going to waste money cleaning it off if it just keeps getting re-covered) to something more structured, organised and completed with good quality paints etc - you could always organise a petition.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Just one point about the bollard on the underpass.
Mr Lewis says that the roundabout is already at capacity/in nobodys interest to open……
If the residents of Kingsway need to go that way, it’s for a reason. No matter which way they get to the raoundabout from, they still get to THAT roundabout. We don’t magic ourselves into Tesco or elsewhere. Please Please, can someone explain why we only have one way in and out of Kingsway. To have that bollard there is as though we are sheep being herded from where we live.
It’s time to get rid of the bollard and time to get rid of the blockade to Waterwells. If the roundabout is no longer fit for use sort it! The people of Kingsway pay enough in Council tax for the council to do something for US.
August 9th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Gotta Agree With Salz on this one,
In this world where they tax us to death to help reduce Global Warming (personally I dont know how levying a tax will help to slow down a natual event, because the effect on GW is insignificant by us humans).
Why do they still insist on making us drive almost 3 miles extra to get to Tesco, and a mile extra to get to Naas lane?
Lets assume 50 residents drive to Tesco twice a week, and 50 drivers go to Naas lane a couple of times, then the council is creating (50x3x2) + (50×2) 400 miles per week of needless driving.
Plus there is also the fact that if traffic was running through the underpass then it would not be a suitable place for youths to hang out.
August 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Hi there, as regards the underpass and having a mural there I for one wouldnt want it! This is supposed to be a village not inner city, or white city. Lets get the C.C.T.V. working there and more bobbies walking around. As regards driving through the underpass, lets all walk, get rid of the car, exersise, problem solved
August 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Salz / holbeach,
I couldn’t agree more… in fact I put exactly the same points to the group.
Cllr Vic Rice said the issue has been extensively debated. The roundabout currently handles a huge amount of traffic and can cope with the small number of cars entering from the “Matalan complex”, but an increase in that number would - apparently - cause severe congestion issues, particularly around rush-hour(s).
So having those extra cars is OK so long as they are using the main 3 entrances to the roundabout.
Somebody else suggested adding “rush-hour traffic lights” and Cllr Rice said that the experts opinion was that they wouldn’t help on this roundabout.
He cited existing “expertise/experience” (of traffic-control/traffic-flow) as the backbone of the argument and added that opening the Woodvale-Naas Lane link road would help shorten the journey for us, which - of course - it would… but (as we all know) it’s still a long way around.
So it seems that we will have to live with it
Hi Gillian,
I’d love to walk… but can’t handle all the shopping for 5 kids and a family (and many of those who do, leave trolleys around the village)! The ideal answer of course, is to get our own local supermarket.
Using CCTV and Police patrols to “protect” the underpass isn’t - ultimately - going to be effective or practical (and I can think of many more important ways to use Police resources than protecting a wall)!
The advent of the Youth Pod and - ultimately - better resources for youths, will help but realistically, it’s an ugly concrete expanse and a shelter from the rain… so it will become covered with graffiti whether we want it or not!
The issue is whether we want filth plastered all over it, or something a little less obscene and more artistic. For myself - since we can’t use it to drive through and it’s always going to be a trouble-spot - I wish it wasn’t there at all!
August 10th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Hi All,
As regards to the underpass, I am a resident who lives near it, and I think I can speak for us all when I say that the bollard is a blessing! I have a 3 year old son, and there are also a number of families with young children, and frankly it was a hazard to have such a large volume of traffic moving through there when the bollard wasn’t working. Practically everyone who I saw driving through did so at great speed, and even though there used to be a sign there notifying of a fixed penalty, it did not appear to deter anyone.
If the bollard were to be removed officially, it would be terribly difficult for any of the residents on this road to safely reverse their cars off of their drive. It would certainly end in a number of accidents. If this were to happen, it would also become a main road, and it is my understanding that it is illegal to reverse onto a main road. So if there was an accident the liability would be with us - which is outrageous to think of considering that this is the way our properties were built to be used.
Secondly, the noise was unbearable, and still is to a large extent. The main problem with noise is late at night, when generally the younger drivers with loud sound systems, and modified mufflers are coming home from a night out. This still continues with the mopeds, and I wish that there was some way to stop them too! This noise pollution is very disruptive.
I would like to mention that I am also a car owner, and can understand the want for shorter routes etc, but I have never found the need to drive through it. For small shops, I walk or cycle, and for larger ones I drive the long way. I think this is a positive method, as it encourages the greener approach.
I agree that the underpass is problematic, but I feel is a great advantage for emergency services if they can acquire the necessary equipment to use it. The amount of petrol that the buses are saving by using it is also environmentally friendly, and I’m all for greener living. Honestly, I look forward to more local activities and community businesses, which would remove our dependancy on Tesco. I don’t think the problem is really not being able to use the underpass, its not having alternative (local) shops.
As for the graffiti, at the moment it is not obscene, and kind of fits in with the dilapidated look of the ceiling with boarded up holes! But obviously it is not wanted and I agree it shouldn’t happen. I would not mind a mural of some sort, but I don’t think this is the only approach we could take.
There was research done at a number of NCP car parks where graffiti was a major reoccurring problem. They painted the walls of each car park a different colour (ie, all walls one colour in one area, all walls another in another car park elsewhere etc). They found a correlation between the amount of graffiti which then reappeared with the colour. I cant remember if it was a pale pink, or pale yellow, but after painting it this colour, the graffiti went down by close to 95%. It tied in with a psychological study of the effect of colour on human behavior.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I agree, i’m not being a pain again, but, this is a suburban village, not an innercity dive! (Although sometimes it does feel like it!)
Personnally I would close that underpassage all together and make the busses use the route we have to use! It’s caused way to many problems as it is, and those bollards NEVER work! They just break and cost a bomb to install and fix, so lets ditch the thing and close the road off! Problem solved! (Plus they can build more lovely houses there! :oD) Let’s force the road to naas lane to be opened so we don’t have to waste a shed load of fuel trying to accelerate to 60 to only have to stop again! (it’s a bit of a stupid one is that road!)
August 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Now come on Clive did you really think that I meant Police to just protect the underpass?
August 11th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Hi Franco,
Thanks for joining in
You raise some very good points and I’m particularly interested in the “pink/yellow wall thing”
If you can get any more info’ on that I will put it to the group.
Hi G Note,
Fair enough
Hi Gillian,
No I didn’t
But I do know that the Police aren’t monitoring the camera (I think it’s the QUVL from memory but can’t be certain… I wonder what will happen to it once the development is finished), and I think we’ll struggle to get any additional Police resources to give it the attention it requires!
Neighbours,
I’m not arguing in favour of the “artwork” because it’s a perfect idea; it’s just better than anything else anybody has suggested.
I don’t mind the opinions against it, but - if we can’t come up with something more constructive in terms of dealing with the problem other than “I don’t want it”, or “get the Police to deal with it” - nobody is going to listen and the “artwork idea” will be used.
I for one like Franco’s idea about the “anti-graffiti” approach… If we can get a little more info’ about it I will - as I said - approach the group with the alternative suggestion.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Hi Clive
Re the Walk about, whilst I work for the Ambulance Service, one is not a Paramedic.. yet
Interesting reading the comments following on from this though, and after doing a two hour walk of Kingsway tonight my snagging list got even bigger
Residents may see me walking around Kingsway with a clipboard. All I am trying to achieve is a decent map of Kingsway and to date one does not exist that any of the 3 services have access to and it’s a shame in this modern day and age that I am having to resort to such methods!
August 12th, 2009 at 12:40 am
I know some cities have the device that makes a loud whine noise called the “mosquito” and this sound is only audible to young adults (teenagers namely) this then stops them hanging around a defined area, many areas has used with success:
Crime Reduction Officer Bob Walton elaborated further: “Effectively, it’s a transmitter which sends out a specialised frequency noise which according to the manufacture is particularly audible to young people under the age of 25″.
He said: “I’m in my fifties and when it’s turned on all I can hear is a very faint buzz. But I understand from young people who have been exposed to the noise, it is very annoying.”
Swindon’s anti-social behaviour co-ordinator Cheri Wright says it is working well.
She said: “We had a meeting with local retailers arounds here - after it had been installed for around three weeks - and feedback was really positive.
Everyone was saying there has been a marked reduction in criminal damage and problems with the shops, so they’ve really welcomed it.”
August 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Grass in large playing field
Does anyone know who’s responsible for this? It doesnt seem to have been cut for over a month and is now longer than the field where most people walk their dog!
I appreciate that the weather hasn’t been all that great but over the last couple of days it has improved, I noticed that the grass verges down Woodvale have been done but seems like the field is just an after thought!
August 13th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Hi Shane,
Good to see you here
I’ve amended your title… Sorry about that!
(Reminds me of the time - around 1979 - when I worked as a Tax Officer in Gloucester. I did a 24 hour pool marathon to raise money for Cancer Research and The Citizen published a story about “Local Tax Inspector Gives Something Back” which caused me some embarrassement at work - lol
In my experience they always were more interested in sensationalising their headlines than reporting the truth)
Re: The map:
We’ve found it impossible to get “progress updates” on the layout of the village… Every time I deliver leaflets etc I find another few streets I didn’t know existed! I don’t think you’re gonna get any help on that score. I guess it’s partly due to the number of developers working independantly (to a great extent) of each other!
I hear you!
Re: Mosquito:
Coincidentally the Mosquito was the first idea to deal with problems in the underpass, which Sergeant Mark Peer "tabled" during the first meeting of The Community Neighbourhood Police Panel last year, (Mark has since retired).
I brought this up at a subsequent meeting but it seems that things have moved on since then and the device has become less popular (if I recall correctly, it seems that some see the mosquito as something of an indescriminate torture device… and a possible breach of human rights)!
So I think that one is a "non-starter"
Hi Chumly,
Good to see you back
I moved your post to here (and changed to a comment) because it was one of the things noticed - and discussed - during this exercise:
This will be included in the communication with QUVL (probably already has) so - hopefully - will be dealt with soon.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Regarding the map you may want to look at open street map - here.
This covers Kingsway and is reasonably up to date.
It’s designed to work like wikipedia and anyone can update it if it is wrong.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hi Ben,
Thanks for that
It’s not (yet) as comprehensive as Google Maps, although it does have some of the newer roads on it, and - as you say - it’s “editable”, so we could all register and update it
I’ve added it to our Kingsway Village Maps page.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
As for the maps, I actually spotted the google street view van driving round here a few weeks ago. I don’t think it will be too long before they start uploading the images. They seem to be increasing their coverage of the non-major cities in the UK and they will probably all pop up at once in a few months.
As for the mosquito and torture, I couldn’t agree more. They have one around the Aldi car park. I can’t imagine what its doing to the younger children (those under teens, and especially the under 5s!)
Your hearing deteriorates around the age of 25 and you lose the very top frequencies, which is where the mosquito is based (17kHz) so everyone under 25 suffers.
With regards to the NCP study I mentioned - I sent them an e-mail about it and have received no replies. I’ll try again later I guess when I get round to it. There are a LOT of studies about reducing youth crime and graffiti on the net though. Just google it and there are studies with murals etc so this may help in choosing the right way forward.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Franco,
Nice post
Hope you hear back from NCP, that would be interesting
I will research it myself too (if I can find the time)!
August 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 am
May I take this oppurtunity on behalf of “Gloucestershire Tri-Emergency Services” to thank bgidley for the referral to the most up-to-date map of Kingsway that certainly Police and Ambulance have been priviledged to
This hopefully will go on to to help responders with Patient care in Kingsway until Google do the mappy thing, as this is what the emergency services use
Oh if I wasn’t laughing I’d cry
Re: The Mosquito in Aldi car park, that explains why I never see any gatherings there so it proves it works guys! 8)
August 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
If you want to hear one, walk through Halton Way cul de sac. There’s a pet one in someones garden that doesn’t affect animals but kills their owners.
Clearly trying to stop animals going on their garden, but is it really necessary?
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Hi Daisily,
Really
That can’t be legal!